Hell-Low from Heaven-High: I am author/publisher of MANNA the book documenting the Biblical use of Magic-Mushrooms. I hope I can find some friends here who share my interest.
Manna is the food-from-heaven provided by God to Israelites in the wilderness, according to the Bible the Israelites are said to have eaten Manna
My book Manna explores the evidence that Christ was the leader of a Pagan Cult teaching a renaissance of an ancient Egypt Mysticism kept secret by an elite caste of priests within the Jewish Rabbis until such a time as Christ came and taught it to the masses, resulting in accusations of blasphemy and the crucifixion of the first Christians.
Exodus 16:14-24 indicates that Manna was inevitably a mushroom.
It was a small round thing in the morning dew, it bred larva, and would melt to mush if not dried. King James Version.
All “wild” mushroom pickers know that mushrooms are most notorious for being infested with worms. This is because flies worldwide of all varieties lay their eggs up into the gills, which then hatch causing the larvae/worms to crawl out as the mushroom matures.
Daniel 5:3-5 with Exodus 16:32 and Hebrews 9:4
indicates that the mushroom was a drug. After sacking the temple in Jerusalem and stealing the Ark-of-the-Covenant, the King of Babylon and his table drank from the golden cup containing the holy “Manna” they had visions within the hour. Psilocybin mushrooms take 30-40 minutes to induce visions.
Hebrews 9:4 makes it clear that Manna was the most holy thing to Israelites, kept in a Pot-Of-Gold in the Ark Of The Covenant, in the Most Holy Of Holys. So sacred is the Manna that only the High Priest has access to it, and only on one day of the year Yom Kippur, which comes 3 days before the harvest moon AllHallowsEve.
Psalm 78:24-25 calls Manna Food Of Angels, just as Mayan/Inca Priests from Meso-America called it Teonanacatl Food Of The Gods.
Manna is an Egyptian word, not Hebrew or Aramaic, meaning;
The Bread of God. This is what Moses called it in Exodus 16:15.
“Bread Of God” means Food-Of-God, which is the same meaning of Teonanacatl (Mayan), and Ambrosia Greek, and Soma Hindu a word for mushroom tea, all these words mean “Spiritual Food”.
Coca and Tobacco Leaves found in Pharaohs tombs suggest it was ancestors of Mayan/Inca Priests who brought mushrooms to Egypt.
John 2:6-9 indicates that Jesus made water into wine by boiling mushrooms Mushroom-Tea, the waterpots were made of stone, not clay, stone pots were used for cooking, clay pots used for storing water. These pots already contained 2-3 firkins of a substance before the pots were filled with water.
A Firkin is an Old-English measurement meaning a fourth part. Half to three-quarters of fresh mushrooms with water makes a potent tea. Tea is the safest way to consume field mushrooms, killing dangerous bacteria like E. Coli. In the Atharva Veda, the Hindus called this Tea Soma. Greeks called mushroom jelly Ambrosia.
Those who drank the water made into wine said it was the most potent intoxicant St. John 2:10. The Bible tells us that Jesus making water into wine was the “beginning of miracles” … in other words no one saw any miracles until drinking the wine made from water. St. John 2:11.
Certainly for the Israelites Egypt was the origin of Manna, which explains why all the Patriarchs of Israel were educated in Egypt, Moses, Christ, and Joseph The favorite son of Israel, were all educated in Egypt. Solomon married Pharaoh’s daughter, and Abraham found his God at a place called Shechem, which is another Egyptian word for Manna.
Teonanacatl [Maya]
Soma [Hindu]
Ambrosia or Broma-Theon [Greek]
Manna [Egyptian, Israelite]
It can be no coincidence that the Mayan, Egyptian, Greek, Hindu, and Israelite words for the mushroom all mean exactly the same thing: The Bread Of God.
Manna was round, was found on the ground in the dew, would melt to mush if not dried or collected on time, and would breed larvae. All unique characteristics of mushrooms. When dried it was like “wafers of bread” and it’s color was like “coriander seed”, the consistency and color of dried mushrooms, as described in Exodus Ch. 16.
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(Ex 16:31)- “And the house of Israel called the name thereof Manna; and it was like coriander seed, white; and the taste of it was like wafers made with honey” -(Ex 16:31). In Palanque Mexico where Psilocybe Cubensis grows year round in pastures that surround the pyramids I learned that honey is an age old way of preserving mushrooms, by immersing them in the honey, the water-soluble psilocybin then leaches into the honey as it is heated at a low temperature over several days, the mushrooms can then be strained out, making “Blue-Honey” which explains not only why Manna was said to taste of honey, but also explains the sweet tasting jelly-like elixir of the Greeks called “Ambrosia”.
Later in Numbers 11:6-9 we are told that Manna tasted of fresh oil, which is perhaps a better description of the taste of “fresh” mushrooms not preserved in honey or by drying. We are also told that Manna was baked into cakes, which is another means of preserving mushrooms so they won’t spoil, and also a safety measure ensuring that dangerous E. Coli (and other germs from
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Much archealogical evidence as well in early christian art MUSHROOM TREES, HATS, TABLES, etc..
Considering the climate,
I'd guess the " Manna " could be a form similar to peyote.
Considering how fragile desert ecosystems are,
and what utter environmental degradations that region has suffered.
I think it's very important to use an earlier version than King James and read in Hebrew if you are going to do the serious research on something which is very dependent on terminology, concerning Israelites. For instance, King James version translates a Hebrew word for 'Young girl" as "virgin". Not the same term.
Also, I can say with some certainty that there are ancient cultures still in existence that use words like amrita ("nectar") for substances which are blessed but not hallucinogenic. Some of them are made over weeks or months using constant prayer and precious substances. I say this with certainty because I have consumed these substances on several occasions. I'm not discrediting any of your theories, I just think it's good to keep in mind that not all spiritual experiences are drug-induced. IMO it can invalidate the blessings of spirituality, prayer etc. if we don't believe in human potential to be godlike.
Very true that it may not be a mushroom thing. It is totally possible to have those experiences without entheogens.
However, if it is a group ceremonial thing some equalizer does make sence.
And I really like the image of Saul getting dosed by his prisoners on the way to Damascus. A couple mushrooms in the stew and everybody is happy.
There is a well research book on the mushroom cult of Jesus. Can't think of the title tho.
I read in another book that manna is a substance secreted from the leaves of an oak tree after aphids have been sucking at them. And then in the morning the substance flakes off and can fall to the ground. Except that it's edible and sweet and white and can be made into a cake. Has anyone else heard this?
Whole lotta hogwash.
Druggies have been trying to fly this load of bull for years. At least since the 60's and the fall of American society.
I find it amusing that this keeps coming up.
I have noticed that the only people who hold this up as having any validity are typically drug users. They seem to be desperately attempting to give credence to their use of mind altering drugs in order to garner some ill-conceived feeling of acceptance.
hey Wendy, be a little more diplomatic with people whose opinions you don't share. i;ve kept my mouth shut on tis thread because i'm not at all sure that there is any Biblical reference to psychotropic mushrooms, but calling other people "druggies" and their beliefs and propositions "hogwash' accomplishes nothing besides maybe giving you a chance to feel smug about how much smarter you are than others.
I don;t eprsonally agree with the scholars (and quasi-scholars) who have proposed that Amanita muscaria is the real stuff behind the Santa Clus story...there are other, more plausible origins posited...but plenty of intelligent people like this hypothesis, for whatever reasons it appeals to them. AMong these is Gary Snyder, who is a scholar of Chinese, Japanese, and Buddhist studies, won a Pulizer Prize for poetry, and did much to polularize "deep ecology" at the dawn of the modern environmental movement.
I just really don't appreciate your coming into a group like this and sneering at people for having some idea you don;t much like...if you don;t like what they have to say, there are plenty of other places to tool around on the Internet. no one here did yo an harm, and ther is no reason to insult any of them.
oh well, what should I expect of someone whose logo is about One Big A-Mistake America - hey, look how well the repubican War on Science served general knowledge! the 60s were not the "fall of American society" either. there's nothing to support that thesis - do you have a background in sociology perchance?
there's no apostrophe properly places after the number, though '60s is the more accurate way to write it. -did you know that? take any classes in copyediting or grammar? or ethnobiology? I have advanced coursework in all four subjects through UC berkeley - how about you?)
sorry to be this harsh, but you;ve sort of invited yourself into someone else's party to give the hosts a hard time. find another place to trash other people (snarky blogs and comments sections and forums abound all over the web), or engage stay here if you lik and if it;s to engage in an intelligent discussion where all are treated with respect.
some damned smart people HAVE taken psychoactive mushrooms. doesn't mean everyone is equally intelligent or equally assisted by their mushroom guides, I don;t always agree with everything they say, but they might be worthy of respect as human beings.
I recommend reading Paul Stamets (brilliant if sometimes a bit over-optimistic researcher into the science as well as the art and spiritual potential of ungi0 or Dr Andrew Weil ( famous integrative medical doctor who majored in botany as an undergrad and is a skillful mycologist- his essay in an anthology called The Marriage of the Sun and the Moon about mushrooms fro the edible through the hallucinogecic to the deadly poisonous is amazing and poetic.
and yes, both of these well-educated, successful people have a history of the use of consciousness changing plants and fungi. as domany other high-achieving, intelligent , and decent people.
now stay out of calling people wih decades of academic and professional achievement "druggies' and full of "hogwash' and "bull" will ya?
now if this kind of insulting behavior continues, there is an "abuse" desk at tribe.net.
Druggies (AKA drug addicts and drug users) HAVE been trying to fly this load of hogwash for years. You don't have to like it, but the facts are the facts. I never called the original poster in here a druggie. That is an assumption you have made, and in so doing, you are assuming the OP is a drug addict or drug user. That says a lot about you, now doesn't it?
And this HOGWASH about manna being drugs is just that, HOGWASH. That you also don't have to like, but the facts are there for you as well.
I will always say that calling manna drugs is hogwash, because that is what it is, hogwash. It is desperate people's attempt to justify their own bad and illegal behaviors. I am surprised you would allow someone to come in here and try to disparage TWO main faith systems of this world by casting a disgusting shadow on such a holy occurrence. THAT you find acceptable?
Shame on you. If this was a South American Tribe being disparaged I bet you would get all up in arms hostile against them as well, but OH it's against the Bible, so that makes it hunky dory.
Shame on you.
Then you go and attack me for being a "Republican" because I believe in liberty and am against socialism? Try to think a little further before you buy into the liberal media BS. You are clearly drinking the Kool-Aid. Enjoy the forced conscription of your children into "volunteerism" against their will. Enjoy paying those taxes.
OOOOH, you went to Berkeley, well that explains a whole hell of a lot right there. Say no more. You are in California! BWHAAHAHAHAH! You attempt to correct whatever typing mistake I may have made and you do it with numerous typographical errors of your own. BWHAHAHAAHHAHAAHAH! Way to NOT make a point.
And just to give you a little heads-up, I happen to be a scientist, so bring it honey.
I was commenting on the DRUGGIES who have been bringing this topic up since 1960 and beyond. If you have a problem with that, you might want to have yourself cryogenically frozen until a future date when 1960 has been fully forgotten, California has completely sunk into the ocean, and socialism has failed yet again.
I, too, am highly educated, so you don't scare me with your threats. Just like a California liberal to cry free speech for yourself but scream and spit for censorship if anyone calls you on your ideas. Typical liberal in fact.
Folks, is the moderator active here? This person got lost here in the jungle, and needs guided out.
probably needless to say, I'm not going to respond to the rantings of a lunatic.
if there;s no moderator, we can e-mail the "abuse" desk at tribe. this happened in another tribe.net group a year or so ago, someone wanted to appear in the group to put everyone else down.
and it has nothing to do with :free speech," which has never been interpreted as "free speech gives one the right to walk into someone else's living room to put other people down.
I do have to smile a bit,. though, at some of the assumptions. yes, I'm from California, and I'm to the left politically of most self-defined "liberals" and find it hilarious when some rabid keyboard warrior thinks that is the strongest indictment of someone else's politics.
lost in the woods, might as well check out the flora and fauna, isn;t that what ethnobiology is about?
That is fine, you report me for pointing out facts and I will report you for insulting two major faith systems in this world.
You have offended me and every Jew and Christian on this planet.
Bring it.
Those secure in their faith have no need for offense.
I always wonder why members of various "faith systems" seem to be so easily offended.
Ya'll should welcome any opinions, investigations, research, theory, etc.
Who came in this tribe being insulting, calling people names, making personal accusations, and ranting?
Ah, the faithful...
lost in the woods, might as well check out the flora and fauna, isn;t that what ethnobiology is about?
Exactly right. What is your favorite ethnobotanical plant.?
"lost in the woods, might as well check out the flora and fauna, isn;t that what ethnobiology is about?
Exactly right. What is your favorite ethnobotanical plant.? "
A favorite? all plants are ethnobotanical in some context or another. that's the whole idea;
ethnobotany does NOT mean "gets you buzzed on chemicals" necessarily...it's relationships between plants and people in cultural context; how do we use plants, how do we look at them, how do we name them, how do we treat them.
and NONE of that is inconsistent with Jewish or Christian ethics, or even with the Bible, where metaphors as well as guidance about the plants and animals of daily life abound: fruit trees and vines for grapes and gourds, hyssop and other herbs, cedars, gopherwood, and other strong trees for building, wheat, lentils, mustard seed, flax for linen cloth...I don;t have time to look up all the references but you know they are there in greter abundance than I can address.
I belonged to several mycological societies )let it slipo for w abit when my daughter and I got involved in a community theater company that kept us busy at the height of the damp season) and got fairly good at wild mushroom identification.
but since the subject was originally mushrooms, I have a totem mushroom...the candycap...different kind of magic than strong psychedelics...Lactarius fragilis, though I believe it has a more recent Latin name...littl-cinnamon-colored mild sweetness that has this impossibly weird and wonderful effect; eating even a couple of them will make your sweat and every other bodily fluid smell like slightly musky maple sugar within twenty four hours...it became a bit of a culinary cliche here where they grow to use them for desserts (e.g. on cheesecake or ice cream) though I confess to bringing candycap cookies to people who think they hate wild mushrooms...make a basic sigar-type cookie, maybe sweetened with maple syrup, and add crumbled or dried cancycap mushrooms to the batter, and it works!
Mexican folk saying, and I;m sure it's found many places besides Mexico (just happens I first heard it from a former lover's Mexican mom years ago)...there's a plant within a mile of where you were born that wiiil heal you. and yes she was Catholic and would probably be quite entertained to hear that by saying not to call people "druggies" for suggesting something she finds "hogwash" I'm somehow insulting all Christians and Jews.
spent yesterday in the Santa Barbara hills with my parents and teen daughter, and wandered around the Botanical Gardens where spring wildflowers, even in a drought year, are in "riotous excess" - s- maybe right now I'm especially in love with the five kids of Doug iris that are blooming, and there are definitely medicinal uses for that besides the peace and joy that comes with wandering among them...
and yes, I have a friendly relationship, including occasional ingestion in a respectful and Holy , with that amazing Andean cactus named for San Pedro (keeper of Heavens Gate, you know) that's a common ornamental throughout the California that our rather rude houseguest likes to denigrate...none of mine are in bloom but the showy yellow blossoms that this big friendly guy gets when time and conditions are right is not something to scorn at all.
can't see where this contradicts anything in the Bible, though I'm not a Biblical scholar. I once aspired to it as a child (wanted to be a rabbi when I was maybe 9 or 10, mostly out of admiration for the scholarship it involved and because most o us start off looking for spiritual paths within our own cultural context) there are of course no cactus in the Bible, as true cacti are a plant ally of the Americas unknown in Biblical lands during Biblical times...just like potatoes, tomatoes, maize, most beans, and squash.
the redwood trees, especially the coast redwoods, are especially Holy to me as well, and lying on my back in a circle of them, I know why they are called cathedral trees. and again, though they were unknown to the scribes who brought us the Bible, it does not defy the Bible in any way to feel their awesome power.
and the mighty oaks whose acorn meal fed whole villages before the outsiders came to our Coast and its inland valleys
I must be getting hungry. will sign off ehre and discuss edible, medicinal, ecologically essential, and inspirational plants, animals, and mushrooms when I have a chance. may all beings be peaceful.
Dr Weil is right about the mushroom world; there is a continuum between the deadly poisonous, vision-inspiring, fascinatingly strong or ephmeral, and edible fleshy fungi. they are all amazing manifestations of nature's subtle and mysterious ways...how can that violate anyone's religion?
talk to you all soon. it;s been a rather poor year for mushrooms because of the drought, but get out and see some plants in their spring glory.
oh, there is a wonderful dry-season edible Agaricus or two that sometimes grace us in the dry months. get a good guide and ...good luck. eat well. and be well. mighte even have been some desert-friendly mushrooms on the sides of Mount Sinai...
I get it now.
This tribe is exclusively for drug users. I thought it had a different purpose, but I have been corrected. I am NOT a drug user, but a scientist, therefore I can tell my friends that ethnobiology in Tribe terminology stands for drug users group. Got it.
''A favorite? all plants are ethnobotanical in some context or another. that's the whole idea;
ethnobotany does NOT mean "gets you buzzed on chemicals"
you misunderstand me. i did NOT mean drugs to get you buzzed. i was thinking more along the line of sacred camwood - spirit walking sticks, to grinding it to 'feed' the spirits. I don't come here at all for information on how to get high.
Euccommia Tree is one of my very favorites, and Tribulus
these are examples of my favorite medicines- cause they strengthen the ligaments and muscles, and promote the body healing rapidly, and help with lower back pain. Euccommia is a chinese herb, and tribulus is utilized the world around. These are not psycho active either.
i was merely trying to speak another direction, rather than keep feeding the anger issues in this thread. Im sorry if offended you Judith.
I'm not offended at all, Thain. (was there any reason I should have been? heh...I sometimes MISS it when people ar pissed at me; defense I developed while getting over my too-thin skin when younger.) I too was mostly trying to clear the air and make human contact with folks here. I think we are reading on the same page, or at least in the same large and varied anthology, about the many uses and appreciations for plants...so let's not feed the library trolls who come to disrupt and insult. yes.
sometimes this medium (electronic text in one form or another)rather distorts the context of our messages. I;'also intended to give a more rounded view of my interests in plants and fungi, since fungus is where we started; that's why I talked about edible mushrooms and wildflowers.
the first biologist with whom I went mushroom foraging said he felt that the plants and fungus and insects were "pleased" when we take the time to walk around in the woods and grassland to look at them and recognize them. that's my own way of "feeding the spirits" I suppose.
with human personality as well as within ecosystems; our strength and very survival is in diversity.
I'm driving back to Bay Area today. went into LA to see my family there yesterday and got to walk the trails in Griffith Park with my brother for the first time in many years; I've seen quite a few habitats in the last few days. feeling very grateful for urban wilderness such as it exists; these parks just above the cities are where I have renewed, most of my life.
Library troll huh?
Drug user!
How you like that?
You want to call me names, then you get it right back, DRUGGIE!
It's apparent the level of class and intelligence I am dealing with in here. This tribe is about the getting high and communing with "plant" spirits. Tell me, do they scream when you kill them and eat them?
i sent a letter to TOU, and i would urge anyone offended by wendy to do the same. It could become peaceful again.
Don't forget to smoke a bowl of pot and eat some mushrooms and pray to the tree root spirits for your salvation through a brain-fried Messiah.
This entire thread is offensive and an affront to Jews and Christians.
I bet you didn't complain to TOU about that did you?
Well guess what, this entire thread violates the TOU because it casts dispersions on the very basic beliefs of Jews and Christians about an extremely Holy incident in history. You can try and sugar coat it and throw your sage smoke and hippie rings all over it, but you can't hide the truth.
It only counts with you if it's a bunch of drugged out peasants in the woods with bones in their lips and noses, right? You pick and choose which faiths have merit enough based on their drug use, apparently. And if drug use isn't there, you simply create one and get ticked off when someone calls it hogwash.
Tough.
HOGWASH.
Deal with that.
This is what Weny's profile states as her purpose for being on tribe:
"laughing at weak-minded followers". So while I did not find her first entry offensive, I do find the subsequent comments along with her stated intention annoying. This does not meet my need for integrity and respect. I also feel sad that she would not find some better way to spend her life energy. So, I would suggest that people do not engage with her, no matter what she says and let her laugh else where. If you want to file a complaint that would be fine and also if the moderator is around, just bump her off of here.
Blessings
Linda
That is right, I laugh at weak-minded followers.
Now, had you bothered to ASK me what that was about, I would have gladly told you that it was in direct response to an Obamanite troll who was leaving commits on my pictures.
Had you bothered to ASK me anything instead of TROLLING my profile, oh "wise" woman, you might have learned something.
I am sick of communists and Obama-worshipers. I am sick of our freedoms being eroded.
And I will laugh at all of you while you sit and stammer, because YOU aren't aware of the current regulations and Acts being discussed in Congress regarding your precious farmer's markets. So, one day, when you go to take your (no doubt scrumptious and healthy) home grown veggies to market, and you are turned away and told you are violating the law, I will be there, pointing and laughing.
Why?
Because I pay attention, and I study, and I learn. Weak-minded followers are on their knees right now, worshiping Dear Leader Obama, and smoking pot, and eating "magic" mushrooms.
hello tribe mates! Thanks Linda for calling this to my attention. I don't use tribe much anymore - am pursuing my interest in ethnobiology (didn't realize that meant I was into drugs. Everybody has their own way of interpreting the world, yes?)
It seems that someone made a small minded comment (which we all do from time to time) and then things got out of hand when another rebuked using the same intolerant tone. Remember that if we praise ourselves as being tolerant but then don't tolerate those who are intolerant we're being intolerant.
Sigh... It's clear that Wendy has gone off the deep end with insults and muck. Since my attention is focused elsewhere right now - Take a permaculture course if you want to do a lot of great applied ethnobiology - incorporates wisdom of tribal and indigenous folk as well as modern technology - it's a wonderful applied design discipline that has great hope (uh oh - does that make me an Obamanite??? :) for our future. The quickest thing I can do is block Wendy. if that offends any of you I apologize. If Wendy wants to dialogue with me to take responsibility for not communicating very effectively and turning her posts into a confusing rant I'm happy to entertain that dialogue.
It would be nice if everyone spoke to us in the manner we want to be spoken to. Usually that's not the case. When people push our buttons it's a reminder that we have those buttons - they are uniquely ours! Nice opportunity to reflect on where else you are taking things personally. When people choose to use their vitality and energy to insult, belittle, and create drama I feel sorry for them (and me when I do it too).
Hope this keeps the dialogue relevant.
Joan
